Democratic Health Care Bill a Plot to KILL Republicans!!

I know but I guess that's how some of them want to keep it. If someone can't afford the high costs they really don't care if they get the care they need or not. After all, those aren't usually the people who vote for them and they sure don't have money to contribute to their campaigns like the insurance companies do...lol! Annie

So are you going to follow Michele Bachmann's advice and pray and fast that the health care bill doesn't pass...lol? Annie

I'm sorry but I find it hard not to giggle about just about everything Bachmann says. I wouldn't make fun of anyone's religious beliefs but I do think it's silly for a member of Congress to imply God will prevent a health care bill from being passed.I forget who it was but someone on TV said the "big guy" has enough more important things to do, like listen to the prayers of those with cancer who have no insurance. Annie

Prayer and fasting is a pretty sacred religious practice in many religions (heck, even Islam) and a serious commitment on the part of the devout. I don't think it's something to giggle at. In fact, you could be making fun of Ramadan, and it's not PC to make fun of Muslims.

I'm afraid I'm not familiar with that video but I'm not sure I see the connection between something as you describe it and the type of scare-tactic used in this letter. Annie

I know, I think Barney Frank nailed it when he asked that woman on what planet she'd been spending most of her time! Annie

Of course I know my party affiliation isn't private. Some years ago our local state representative lied to my husband and said he'd done a very simple thing that was his job to do for his constituents and it almost cost my husband his job because he'd discovered we were registered Democrats and he was a Republican. The ironic thing was my husband and I and everyone in my husband's VERY large extended family had voted for and supported this jerk for years. I'm also well aware of what happened to Japanese Americans following World War II. That's part of our history we shouldn't be proud of for sure. I was also totally against the FISA warrantless wiretapping bill and I find it ironic that some of the same people who would actually fall for the silliness of this "survey" had no problem with innocent Americans being spied on for no reason. Annie

X, as much as I like and respect YOU I must protest! I'm not "desperately clinging" to any party. IF the party I do happen to belong to ever pulled the kind of stunt that the GOP led by Michael Steele did with this stupid survey I'd attack them too. We're always going to be on the opposite sides of some issues and the issue of health care reform is one of them. To me it's not about party or about money and taxes it's a question of morality and what's right and what's wrong. If I was comfortable in a little box I wouldn't feel so strongly about this issue but I'm afraid I've known too many people for whom the world hasn't been a very safe place. Annie

Actually annie, you and I are on the same side of the healthcare issue, I think we both agree reform is needed and that we do have problems that need addressing and that it is a very pressing social issue. I also feel it can in fact be worked in with in a constitutional framework with out unessesary beurocrocy if we do it carefully, again, I think you and I are playing from the same page on that (guess this is the "liberal" in me?) . The democratic party HAS pulled stupid stunts like this, plenty of them, no, I won't go link hunting, there isn't enough room in this forum to list all the stuff the big parties do, even the stuff they do in common. And further, they have done many of the same things republicans have in government, many you have stated repeatedly you are oposed to. Just sayin. In other words, have they not already done enough? Perhaps I could have phrased it better (curse mylot's lack of an edit button" and not sounded like such an asss, but your party walked away from you a long time ago.

Their chairman, Michael Steele, is about as dumb as a piece of steel I think! Annie

Another point to consider is that until Obama took office, the maximum penalty under the law for failing to answer the census was $100. They have promptly raised that fine to $5,000 so as to avoid any persnickety citizens with a misguided notion of privacy from being able to afford risking the fine. The reason that this penalty needs to be so steep? This is not a simple counting, this census includes much more personal information and many new questions about your personal life that people may feel disinclined to answer without such an incentive. If only people would stop trying to excuse this administration out of some sense of misplaced pride. Our pride in electing the first African-American president should be in ourselves. We should now look upon our society as having evolved incredibly in such a short time, especially if we look at the history of race relations in this country. But our pride cannot be centered on one man, especially if we now look objectively at his policies and the people he has appointed to his administration in an unprecedented distribution of power that is completely unchecked and cannot be checked by other branches of government or the citizens. I wish that we could pat ourselves on the back for not being the racist society we have been portrayed as without feeling that we must give over our liberties in order to be politically correct. It's time for us to support only those who support our freedoms and the Constitution.

"Simply covering those who are uninsured now is barely a band-aid. You're offended by the idea of "disciplining" the insurers but if nothing is done to bring costs under control even if we do subsidize those currently uninsured costs will continue to skyrocket so there will be more and more all the time who need the help. The insurance companies aren't going to stop gouging consumers out of the goodness of their hearts nor are they about to stop dropping people if they have too many claims or because of preexisting conditions or refusing to pay whenever they can get away with it." So that's it, you want government to take over the health insurance companies. That is a more important part of your agenda than getting coverage for the poor and uninsured. That's more important than if this is a bad bill with so many provisions for invasion of privacy that it's unconstitutional. That's more important than the danger of government turning into a regulatory behemoth that strips private citizens of their rights. That's the important thing, punish the health insurance companies, and all of their employees. But there's no thought for the millions who would be unemployed if those insurance companies close up shop, is there? Even though Dr. Emanuel who is Obama's top adviser on this health care reform doesn't think that anyone under 15 is as important as anyone over 15 or that people over 40 deserve to be guaranteed care if care must be carefully rationed and definitely we cannot guarantee care to the mentally challenged - and even though he's not the only top adviser in Obama's administration that doesn't think that infants and toddlers are quite human, supporters of this would still be willing to put the future of the nation's health care in their hands if only we get to punish the insurance companies. Why does a bill to provide health care have a provision that demands release of all your financial records to third party agencies even if you don't apply for any benefits? It's provisions like this that make this bill anathema to Americans, it is un-American at its very core. It violates the rights of Americans. This is the message people are trying to send to Washington. We don't want your invasion into our privacy. We don't want government dictating to us what kind of health care we will have or taxing us if we don't have any. It's not a message that we don't want uninsured people to be covered, and frankly, it doesn't appear that coverage for the poor and uninsured is the goal of this legislation anyway. So, how could we support that?

AMEN! Rollo, I'm afraid your truth and logic will be met with a deaf ear in this thread though.

You're right, the survey is what it is and it belongs in a TV sitcom as does RNC Chairman Steele! Annie

I'm half expecting to see a discussion or two started here by someone who got that survey and really takes it seriously. Annie

The sad thing is some people will probably believe it. Annie

I guess there's no limit to how stupid some people are in some matters. Annie